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Wednesday, February 08, 2006

GOP Blocks Bible Bill

One of the higher profile issues of the legislative session came to a head yesterday as Republicans in the State House used a procedural motion to prevent the "Bible Literacy Bill" from reaching the floor for debate.

The bill did have more proponents than detractors as 49 members voted in favor of the motion, while 42 opposed it. But supporters of the bill fell 7 votes short of the 60% necessary to override the procedural roadblock. No Republicans voted in favor of the bill, while only 3 Democrats (Laird, Mitchell, Morrison) voted against it. The AP has the rollcall of the vote.

It is interesting to see State House Republicans employ similar procedural tactics as liberal Democrats in the US Senate. Republicans often accuse Congressional Democrats of obstructionist tactics, but GOPers in the State House don't mind stealing a page out of their ideological opponents' playbook.

The bill's sponsor, and Majority Leader, Ken Guin (D-Carbon Hill) left open the possibility of bringing the bill up again, but that seems unlikely at this point.

Republicans voiced their objection to the bill's requirement of a specific text, but Democrats saw more politics than principle in the GOP opposition. "They didn't think of it first. They didn't want the Democrats to get credit for it," Alvin Holmes was quoted by the AP.

But Republicans don't expect any fallout from their blocking the Bible Literacy Bill, "I don't think people are going to believe that Republicans are against religion and don't want the Bible taught in schools," [GOP Leader Mike]Hubbard said.

I think legislative Democrats intend to put that to the test over the coming months.

50 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

the republican are just hypocrits!

1:52:00 AM  
Blogger TeeRob said...

This bill was a sham. Guin and the Speaker were just using it to prove that the Democrats are religous too. The hypocrisy is that the bill was totally unecessary because that book can already be used in Alabama classrooms.

10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Dem's are just taking a page out of the Saxby Chamblis playbook. They can now run these whispering TV ads stating that GOP "Bubba" Reps voted against the Bible Bill. And, they did!

10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was one bad piece of legislation in that it bypasses the State BOE to approve a textbook (and one that can already be used in Alabama classrooms). Imagine if the legislature were to start approving history, science or math books.

11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Republicans have now revealed what they really want. They have used religion so successfully over the years, that now that the Democrats decided to pass a bill dealing with religion, Republicans will fight it just because Democrats are behind it. Republicans in Alabama know that if they lose religion as an issue, they will lose elections once people see what they really stand for. Congrats to the Democrats for finally revealing what is behind the Republican curtain.

11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an Alabama teacher, I'm glad this bill was voted down. First of all, it's not the legislature's job to determine what books are or are not used. This responsibility should be left to teachers and boards of education. Secondly, I'm tired of BOTH Republicans and Democrats politicizing religion to gain a few votes. And lastly, as a Christian, I do not want Alabama students taught about the Bible in public schools - the Bible should be taught and lived at home and in church, not in a secular school classroom where just anyone may end up leading the class. As a teacher, I can teach about my Lord through my lifestyle rather than teaching a class mandated by the government.

11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous cloyd said...

thank you alabama teacher!!! finally some common sense. I was beginning to believe all alabamians were simply nuts or manipulate God's Holy Words for selfish earthly purposes, like winning elections. shame on democrats, but shame on republicans for not kicking roy elmer gantry moore out of the party. there isnt much dignity, respect or truth in alabama politics.

12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This debate illustrates the real danger of bringing religion into the public schools, as opposed to private schools where the like minded can be together. The danger is not from Muslims, or Buddists forcing their view of religion on students. The danger is one majority group of Christians (say Democrats in the Alabama Legislature as here) imposing their interpretation of the Bible on the public school students who may hold different views. If there was a Republican majority the story might be the same. The Southern Baptist denomination has been infighting over doctrine for years. Maybe it is best to leave religion to moms and dads and the churches and leave public schools for other things. In the matter of schools and religion this current controversy shows that maybe Christians have met the enemy and they is us.

2:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask yourself, "Do you trust the government?" Even if you do, then ask, "Do you trust the government enough to teach your child about religion?"

I know I don't. Let me handle that that important task - not the government.

6:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe this will get us a step closer to taking religion out of politics. Oh and also, there are very few liberal democrats in the Alabama legislature.

7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Ken Guin - Alabama's Howard Dean said...

This ridiculous display was entirely over efforts to gain political advantage. Of all the blame to go around, the lion's share belongs to Shifty Ken Guin, who is the lowest snake in a den of serpants. Guin was caught in a bald-faced lie during the debate and tried to cover his untruths by hollering loudly. What a clown.

8:01:00 PM  
Anonymous paula said...

should government invade and erode more parental responsibilities, is the real question here. parents afraid to spank for fear of illiterate DHR hacks arresting them, teachers afraid to teach, 14=15 yr olds can get an abortion without notifiying parents.
how much more abuse can mom and pop take from the government. I thought the government only role was to preserve property rights(outside of defense), not destroy them. Parenting used to be a fundamental right under the us constitution, today i guess its just political status to be defined by pac to pac transfers, lobbyist and other miscreants

10:37:00 AM  
Blogger The Alabama Moderate said...

I have to agree with Zac on this one. I think that the full intention of the bill was not to pass it but to give the Dems some ammunition during the upcoming elections. They’ll just use it in political ads… “So and so voted against Bible literacy. Blah, blah, blah…” Sadly, there will be voters who are stupid enough to fall for it, because they won’t bother to check into the claims.

But I will give some merit to the claim that Republicans are hypocritical, though the Democrats definitely shouldn’t throw stones. The only thing that this shows is that the Republicans aren’t above the same obstruction methods that they often criticize Democrats for using.

To the Alabama teacher… right on! I don’t trust the government enough to teach my kid how to balance a checkbook, much less Biblical doctrine.

5:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

I'd support the bill, if it was drafted by Democrats. God knows I've pulled enough political stunts in my day. But since, the Dems are for it, I'll just go out and lie to the public about which groups are behind it. I suppose no one will even check my claims to see if it was written by the ACLU, PFTAW, or some other boogey-men liberals. I'll just lie and no one will care.

Alright, back to making a freaking idiot of myself on For the Record. And lobbying for Indian tribes. And telling Paul Hubbert what a great organization AEA is. Oh wait. That was back when I wanted a job. Now I am supposed to hate them. I forgot.

Boy, this lying sure is tough. I can't keep my stories straight!

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Anonymous Blake Pritchett said...

Lying gets easier when you have as much experience as me.

9:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Paul Hubbert said...

Well done my son. You have snatched the pebble from my hand - it is time for you to go and assume your rightful place in the pantheon of Alabama Democratic liars such as Hammett, Guin, and bedford.

9:36:00 PM  
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We already have something that can educate us on The Holy Bible, It's Called Church..

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