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Wednesday, February 08, 2006

AVC Values Blogs

For an organization that's only been on the political radar for a few weeks, the Alabama Values Coalition is making its presence felt.

You'll remember the AVC radio ads in early January that took Alabama Republican leader to task over the "loyalty oath". Those ads (still available on their site) sparked a small controversy with Republicans attacking the ads and the AVC. Some Republicans have identified the AVC as a "Democratic front group" and have questioned its funding sources.

The AVC has now started a blog on their site. Though the websites of Roy Moore and Don Siegelman both have curious imitations identified as "blogs", the AVC blog seems to be the Real McCoy. It plays hosts to regular updates as well as allowing comments from readers.

While the AVC is a relatively new entity, it is encouraging to see political groups of all types embracing the interactivity and possibility of the internet.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just went to Siggy's website and couldn't find a blog or even a reasonable fascimile thereof. Instead, all I found was a letter from Siggy, with the obligatory typos, "These job have helped Alabamians..."

Speaking of jobs, he talks about bringing 75,000 jobs and 5 automotive manufacturing plants to Alabama. Besides Honda and Hyundai, is he now claiming credit for Merecedes, who might have expanded their plant during his term, but certainly not as a result of his doing? And the other two?

This guy knows no bounds for standing before the citizenry and taking credit for any and every thing ever done in Alabama, yet fails to accept any blame for the obvious misdeeds occuring on his watch.

12:32:00 PM  
Blogger PoliSciZac said...

Yeah the Siegelman site is apparently in the process of being retooled.

1:41:00 PM  
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Anonymous Dr. Paul Ray Hubert said...

This whole "Alabama Values Coalition" is an obvious AEA front. They'll have the money available to keep up a website and give the appearance of having a "real" organization, but the credibility of the "group" is gone. I can tell you that in GOP circles the so-caled "AVC" is a total joke and any support they would give a candidtate would be seen as the kiss of death. They are a non-factor in politics in theor first month of existance. That has to be a new record.

7:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the AVC has the GOP running scared if they're already pulling out the "AEA front group" meme. The fact is, the Republicans can't stand the fact that there are Christians out there who don't share their narrow-minded, fundamentalist, stone-age point of view on the world.

8:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Bemused said...

Boy - "stone age" . . ."narrow minded" . . .

I thought you liberal types didn't believe in "hate speech." More typical Democrat hypocrisy :-)

By the way, if you think the GOP is running scared, you are quite insane. Or - more likely- you are spinning like crazy trying to impede the rising tide that will drown Seth Hammett et al in November.

7:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe bemused is right. I mean, the AVC was way out of line when it took money from gambling interests to run anti-gambling ads.

Oh wait, which group was that again?

9:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Truth smarts said...

Nice confusion tactic above. The GOP is NOT the Christian Coalition; and John Giles' orghanization is definitely NOT funded by the GOP. However the so-called "AVC" IS funded by AEA/NEA.

9:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahonta Cavanaugh said...

To Right Thinking:

Claiming this organization is lying is a serious charge, so I decided to check it out. I googled the Birmingham News story you mentioned, looking for "lies" about financial reporting.

Here's what the piece said: "Pritchett said he had never spoken with Democratic legislative leaders and that they were not connected to the ads. Pritchett declined to name donors to the group. He said the committee will file a finance report with the secretary of state later this month."

Here is the link:

So, I decided to go to the Secretary of State's website. Sure enough, AVC did follow the reporting guidelines for 2005 filing. So, how exactly did Pritchett lie? I fail to see how. If you want groups to provide more on their funding, then you might lobby your elected legislator to have the timeline for primary finance reporting adjusted. But please, don't accuse groups of lying when it's clear that they've done everything they promised to do and are legally obligated to do.

And to the poster called truth smarts, if you're so sure that AVC is funded by AEA/NEA/[insert liberal boogeyman], where is your proof? It's easy to hide behind the veil of anonymity on this blog and throw out accusations without ever having to back them up. I've seen lots of conservatives say that AVC is funded by this or that, but they've don't back anything up.

It's not surprising. But ya know, it's easier just to bash the group than actually debate them on the issues. Why not engage them on taxation issues? Why not debate on them on protecting God's earth? Why not take up the issue of constitutional reform? It looks like you WATBs are more content to snipe from the side than actually engage in substantive debate. Which is probably good since you'd lose.

11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Alabama isn't as gullible as Dr. Hubbert would like said...

AVC could have proven that rumors of Democratic Party control were untrue simply by listing their donors. They didn't.

Anyone wanna bet on who is paying for this pseudo group?

I have a bet for you. I'll bet that come April there will be some other reason that AVC won't reveal their donors. If they can do it they will ALWAYS hide who is paying for them. That is because they are a sham.

9:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

To the poster identified as the former campaign chair: where did you find Pritchett saying this: "we'll have a statement out at the end of the month." I didn't find that anywhere. I did find this interesting tidbit in the Montgomery paper, though.

"He isn't saying who funded the ads, but he said the organization will file a financial disclosure statement with the secretary of state by Jan. 31, as required by state law. That statement must show who gave money to the organization in 2005. If the money for the ads was raised in 2006, it won't have to be disclosed until the group's next financial statement in April."

Looks like some basic fact-checking spoils you all again. You guys are as bad as Drudge. And as loose with the truth, too.

Again, no one here disputes what the group is saying. No one argues with their claims on Christianity. No one wants to pick a fight over their issues, because you know they're right. Sorry, guys, GOD does not equal GOP.

12:29:00 PM  
Blogger The Alabama Moderate said...

You're absolutely right, truth smarts. The GOP is not the Christian Coalition. And the DNC is not the AVC.

Sorry, but fair is fair.

I believe that the Alabama legislature had the opportunity to make things more transparent regarding which groups accepted money from whom, but the GOP and Christian Coalition didn't like it. So any GOP/right wing group complaints about the other side not being transparent about their funding only get one response from me: You had your chance, and you blew it.

Do I doubt that the AVC accepted funding from the AEA? Absolutely not. Nothing surprises me. But I also consider that the right wing groups have had some questionable funding as well, and I wouldn't put it past the AEA or any other group to have members of both parties in their pockets.

January 31st is the date when most organizations have their tax information completed for the previous year. So I can understand why the full report would be available upon that date. Yes, they could have filed it differently, but then every organization has their own approach to taxes and reporting. It's also harder to have a report ready by January 31 if you are including January expenses and income through that same date. I can tell you that non-profit organizations have some very lengthy reports to print out, and going through the trouble of including last minute number would be a real hassle. (Part of the problem is the Alabama tax code, but I really don't want to get into that right now.)

I'm sure that they'd rather keep things consistent as opposed to turning things upside down to appease a few who probably would find some way to hate them no matter what. Regardless, what would stop a group from simply writing a check in February or March as opposed to January?

Almost all politicians massage the truth (read: not technically lie but deliberately mislead). That includes Democrats AND Republicans. Don't believe me? Take a gander at sometime.

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Anonymous Alabama Moderate is RIGHT said...

Alabama Moderate is dead on. I advise everyone posting here to read his very informative posting above.

That said, there is little doubt, given the preponderence of evidence, that the AVC is deliberately misleading the public. Before you knee jerk on me here, the Christian Coalition deliberately misleads people as well by refusing to name donors. That doesn't excuse what appears to be a well-orchestrated effort by Blake Pritchett et al to exist on the shady side of the truth.

That is NOT an "Alabama Value." Shame on the AVC, the Christian Coalition, and all who do their best to keep the citizens of Alabama in the dark. That definitely includes the Prince of Darkness himself, Paul (Lucifer) Hubbert.

1:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Lewis Carroll said...

I find a delicious irony in that the TWO SLEAZIEST GROUPS in Alabama politics call themselves the CHRISTIAN COALITION and the ALABAMA VALUES COALITION.

1:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Misleading? Maybe said...

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1:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Truth NOW said...

Bravo, Modest Proposal. I think making the so called Alabama Values Coalition AND the Christian Coalition reveal their donors is a TREMENDOUS idea.

Sunshine is good. And no "I'll tell mine if THEY tell theirs" nonsense. Men (and women) of integrity will tell the truth and reveal their funding.

How abut it, Blake and John? Do you have the courage of your convictions? Or are you COWARDS?

I'm calling you out - especially YOU Blake since I know you read and post on this blog. Are you a coward Blake? How about you Giles?

3:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

Gee, I wonder where all the cries for sunshine were back last legislation session when people from my own GOP were blocking such efforts in the legislature. As I recall, my pack of elephants darn near brought business to a stop back then over possible disclosure requirements. I know that Democrat Randy Hinshaw has pledged to bring the bill back. I wonder if we'll fight it again.

3:56:00 PM  
Anonymous make 'em disclose! said...

Pocahantas you miss the point. I bet you miss points all the time, but I digress . . .

The previous poster demanded that Blake Pritchett and John Giles come clean and that is an EXCELLENT idea.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Both of these guys are dirtier than a pigpen.

4:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Milton MacGregor said...

Randy HINSHAW Poke???? Man he is the dirtiest legislator in Montgomery . . .HE is your HERO????

Man you just blew all your cred . . . .

5:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

What is wrong with Randy Hinshaw? I have only met him one time, but he seemed like a good guy. And the sunshine bill seems like a well-enough endeavor. Is there something about Hinshaw that I don't know?

11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Gambler said...

Randy Hinshaw is owned and operated by Milton MacGregor and is a sure bet for defeat this year for that reason.

5:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

That really doesn't answer the question. Someone said that Hinshaw is the dirtiest legislator in Montgomery. Is anyone willing to actually support that with facts, or is the game of smear and innuendo enough?

11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Alabama legislative Reference Service said...

Smear and innuendo? Poke it is a fact that Randy Hinsahw has been the lead dog in Miltie's sled on every bit of gambling legislation when he has been in the legislature. The omly time pro-gambling legislation didn't come from Hinshaw was during the 4 years he was out after being thrown out by voters by his reprehensible pro-gambling behaviour.

He's gone again now. Polls show he is the most likely incumbent to be defeated in this election. Don't cry for him , though - MacGregor will make sure that his traitorous efforts to his district will not go unrewarded.

9:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

Well, if that is true, can you show me which pieces of legislation you're talking about? Also, can you show me the poll showing Hinshaw as vulnerable? I did a google search, but couldn't find this poll. Can you provide a link to readers of this blog?

11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Poll Cat said...

The poll is by ALFA and has been made available to Hinshaw by them and to other possible candidates. You could ask ALFA to let you see it; since you aren't involved I doubt they would let you.

The poll is real and does show Hinshaw hugely vulnerable, however. By the way, AEA's Gerald Johnston did a poll in that district with similar results. As to Hinshaw's alleged pro-gambling legislation (if he did in fact back it - I am not in the know on those assertions)you could go to the legislature's ALISON page and find all the legislation he has backed this quadrennium.

Hinshaw IS very close to Milton MacGregor. I can dsay this from personal experience. I guess wheter or not that makes him "dirty" depends on your point of view.

8:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

I could go look up the pieces of legislation in question, but shouldn't the burdern or proof be on the anonymous poster here who simply smeared Rep. Hinshaw by calling him the dirtiest legislator in Montgomery? It's the responsibility of that poster to back his/her case up.

On a different note, how do you know about these polls? Have you seen the results, or merely heard about it? Are you tied with ALFA, or some other group? I only ask because it seems like you know a lot about the poll, but didn't reveal the results. What classifies as hugely vulnerable, as you assert? Without numbers, I'd just assume that this is all a bunch of hot air.

Not to impugn your credibility, but it's pretty easy on a site like this for people to post under a handle and put out some propaganda. Again, not saying you are doing this, but just saying it's pretty easy. Maybe Zac should consider making users register before commenting so that we have a better idea on who is saying what. I think I would be in favor of it.

2:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Undercover of the Night said...

I am not opposed to the idea of making this sire "registered user" only. However, I can assure you that the flow of information will decrease; allowing anonymous posting will allow some jucier info into the open forum - stuff that would never get out if registration is required.

Just a point to ponder.

4:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

I agree to some extent, but... if people still want anonymous info out there, they can e-mail Zac. I just think it's dangerous that people have the ability - from both sides of the aisle - to come here and slander with immunity because of the anonymity of the process. It's difficult to defend yourself against a smear if you don't even know the attacker. I would be willing to register, for the record.

5:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Randy is NOT secretive about his ties to Milton said...

You can't smear someone indiscriminately. If the charges have no merit, they will fall away quickly. Randy Hinshasw IS connected to Milton Macgregor; everybody in Montgomery knows that. It is not a secret. If someone were to attempt to say that (for example) Richard Laird was on Miltie's payroll,there would be legions of people on here in a flash calling the poster a liar. Randy just IS with Milton. That is a fact.

7:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Pocahontas Cavanaugh said...

OK, then. Give us some facts. When I was taking my law class, I don't think the professors would have bought "everyone knows this and it's just the way it is" as an argument. There needs to be some burden of proof. Find a link or something to substantiate what is being said. If you can't find it, I'll just consider the claim of vulnerability and everything else as the stuff I scraped off my shoes this morning when I stepped in dog poo.

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