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Friday, December 16, 2005

Bachus Splits with GOP over "Torture"

Wednesday the US House voted to add an anti-torture amendment backed by John McCain to a Defense Appropriations bill. The amendment passed 308-122, with 121 Republicans in opposition. Jim Marshall of Georgia was the only Democrat to oppose the amendment.

Though the House GOP was nearly split in half on the issue, of Alabama's five Republican Representatives only Spencer Bachus (R - Birmingham) supported the "McCain amendment". Which means it can be argued that Jo Bonner, Terry Everett, Mike Rogers, and Robert Aderholt all tacitly accept interrogation tactics some consider to be torture.

Bachus' split from his colleagues is not especially surprising. Though he is generally as conservative as the other Republican members of the delegation, Bachus has been a consistent advocate for international human rights. He's led the charge against the Sudanese government, which he sees as genocidal, and was an early supporter of debt-relief for third world nations.

And yesterday, just one day after the vote, the White House relaxed its opposition to the McCain amendment and is now supporting the anti-torture language. Bush certainly didn't do his supporters in the House any favors on this issue. After 121 Republicans cast a tough vote toeing the Bush line against the McCain amendment, Bush cuts them off at the knees by caving to McCain. I'd imagine there are many Republican House members who'd like to have that vote back.

And if all this seems a little familiar, it's probably because the Senate went through the torture fight a couple of months ago. And then, like now, Alabama's delegation was split. Shelby voted for the McCain amendment, while Sessions was one of 9 to oppose it.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

poor spencer bachus, I guess he would be a star in the french parliament because his coddling of terrorists is a slap in the face to johnny spann's memory and his family. Lets send spencer bachus to afghanistan and see how much sympathy he has then. bachus is a total moron, but then this alabama and we always get what we deserve.

9:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Spencer voted his conscience, and if that makes him a moron, then I guess it's good to be a moron. It takes a lot of guts sometimes to vote against the House leadership. If you look at Alabama's House Republican delegation, you'll see that rarely do any of them vote against the leadership position.

9:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what conscience do jihadists possess that you could translate to civil terms? i guess they were voting their concscious when the flew airplanes into the twin towers. lets just make room for all our dear enemies. There is always room at Bachus' house. Bachus is just like John Rogers, an idiot.

10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Collin said...

It sounds cliche, but the whole do unto others thing applies here for me. If we waterboard, and electrocute people, that only further incites insurgents to carry out beheadings and the like. We as Americans are above torture I would hope. If we answer the barbarism of "jihadists" with our own barbarism, we are no greater than they are. Kudos to Spencer and McCain.

10:46:00 AM  
Blogger The Alabama Moderate said...

You know, Bachus happens to be the Representative from my district. It's very seldom that I approve of his actions, too, but this... He has my whole hearted support for the McCain ammendment. To the first poster who called Bachus a moron for his support, I have this to say. The honorable GOP senator from Arizona, who co-authored the bill, happens to have been a POW who suffered through torture at the hands of the Vietnamese. He understands every aspect of how "effective" the practice is. He also understands that the way we treat our prisoners will be taken into consideration should any of our own soldiers become prisoners, and he is trying to prevent any future harm that may come to our brave men and women as a result. As Sen. McCain has said, "It is not about who they are. It is about who we are." We are supposed to be better than that. We can not set a high moral standard for the rest of the world when we ourselves break the rules. But then, I guess he must be a "moron," too.

11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there are no rules in warfare. truth is the first casualty. excuse me mr. holy warrior, can i get you some tea and crumpets before you tell me why you murdered my son?
you pious ignorant people dont know what war is, and its clear the little rich whiner bachus doesnt either. God save this country with mentatility like his and the rest of you apologists

11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me, there ARE rules in warfare. We followed rules when we fought the Nazis and the Japanese (even though they sometimes did not). We've followed rules in every war we've waged, including the Civil War.

Brother, you are really foaming at the mouth on this one. We ARE better than the Islamic terrorists. We must not stoop to their level. I have the confidence in our fighting forces to know that we can prevail without such despicable tactics. You apparently have so little faith that you are willing to try anything.

12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the last poster....I greatly resent the notion that those that are against torture are "pious and ignorant". It is true that a large majority of Americans (and those posting here) have no idea what war is like, but John McCain certainly does. He also, like a previous poster said, knows more about torture than 99% of us since he himself was tortured. Ever noticed that he can't lift his hands above his head? He can't because of how he was tortured in Vietnam. Give the man, and the rest of us, a little respect please.

12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you show respect for johnny spann's memory. I dont care if we pour acid in the holy warriors eyes. Pious, yes you all are pious, from mccain on down to bachus. Mccain has been in the kitchen too long and speaks with 0 moral authority on torture or terrorism.

2:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope you don't claim to be a Christian because you sure don't talk like one.

9:06:00 PM  
Blogger Collin said...

No wonder you post anonymously. "Mccain has been in the kitchen too long and speaks with 0 moral authority on torture or terrorism."??? Are you kidding me? You can say he's wrong, but to say that a man who survived a Vietnam POW camp has no moral authority on torture, is the fallacy of the century.

11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Piousness never makes pragmatic legislation. It is just election year posturing so Mccain and the house repubs can say 'look, would you like some milk and cookies, mr bin laden?'
In the final analysis, the poster is correct, this does slap mr spann's memory in the cods, and will not change ROE on the ground, anywhere.

9:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank God Jeff Sessions has boiling red blood in his veins. He didnt support this liberal garbage.
I guess spencer bachus would have supported the 1976 Church Committee findings also, if he was old enough to remember. Geeze, what a pinko!

11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A "pinko"? God, I thought that kind of name-calling went out with the 1970s.

Yep, the McCain bill is so liberal it commanded the support of only 91 senators. Boy, it must be a pretty radical measure to have so many "pinkos" behind it.

Apparently the John Birch society is alive and well, and living on this blog.

5:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Midland , TX . City Councilman Ejected From Studio

T. Bubba Bechtol, part time City Councilman from Midland, TX, was asked on a
local live radio talk show the other day just what he thought of the
allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners. His reply prompted his
ejection from the studio - but to a thunderous applause from the audience.

"If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner's scrotum to a car's battery cables will
save one American GI's life, then I have just two things to say":

"Red is positive"
"Black is negative"

10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bachus should switch parties. to what party i dont know because we dont want him either in the democratic party. Bachus isnt hot or cold but tries to be cool or warm. he cant be trusted so maybe he should form a chameleon party.

10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Emerson Stokes said...

I just saw on the news where sadam said he would poke his fingers in america's eye AGAIN.
Now if he does and we catch the terrorists who do it, do they get a steak and a lobster at chez fon fon courtesy of spencer bachus?
What a Maroon!

11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous cloyd deason said...

ole bachus needs to take one of his congresinal junkits to sand mountain to explain that vote. Aderholt knows how to vote right, but them ritch mt brook wine drinkin liberals would get a federal grant to have dinner with bin laden on a curltural exchange issue.

11:28:00 AM  
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