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Monday, December 19, 2005


The Alabama Democratic Party recently made the leap to a sharp new website. But I noticed the ADP's blog not only didn't make the transition, but also has been evicted from its old site. Now the ADP blog will probably soon reappear at their new site, but I won't be shocked if it is on a permanent vacation.

I've always thought their blog was a little too Democrat and not enough Alabama. For example they link to such prominent lefty bloggers like Daily Kos and Atrios. And they recently called Sen Joe Lieberman (D - CT) to task over his comments backing Bush on the Iraq War. Now there is nothing inherently wrong with either of those things, but I am not sure the ADP wants to be associated (even in blog form) with arch-liberal bloggers or to be publicly to the left of a generally liberal senator on such a divisive issue.

And even though I was recently a little critical of the ADP blog for their over-the-top rhetoric about Dem chances in the special election to keep Jack Venable's seat, I still like to see the ADP in the blogging business. Alabama Republicans sure haven't advanced that far. But I won't be shocked if Joe Turnham or some other Alabama Dem saw the blog and decided it might be doing more harm than good.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed on the ADP blog being a little too Pelosi-Dean.

Characterizing Lieberman as a "liberal" senator is probably a bit of a stretch, though.

He has been consistently hawkish on Iraq, moderate on some social issues, and pretty open about faith and values. This is the guy who never got a chance in the Dem primary because he was too "conservative" for the rank and file.

Just a thought.

6:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good lord... "arch-liberal" bloggers? Why don't you take issue with their arguments, rather than get into the "they link to so and so" game?

Who cares if they linked to Kos, Atrios, TPM, or anyone else? Wouldn't it be better to assess the validity of their argument, rather than attack based on the source? Just because they link to a liberal site doesn't mean they're not right.

The more I read this blog, the more I realize it is just more of the same old junk (i.e., "conventional wisdom") that is associated with Alabama politics. And, quite frankly, it's pretty crappy.

What about their calls against NAFTA? What about their calls for increasing troop protection? What about their demands for ethics and accountability in Washington? What about their addressing issue after issue after issue that speaks right to the hearts and concerns of people in Alabama? Oh, it's easy just to dismiss all that and carp from the sidelines.

If you really want to do a good job in this blogging business, you've got to do better than this.

9:30:00 AM  
Blogger PoliSciZac said...

Yeah Liberman is perceived as a moderate. But other than defense issues, I think he is pretty liberal. On things like taxes, gun control, abortion, government spending he is pretty liberal.

And to the second poster, sorry you didn't care for my analysis. I actually like the ADP blog most of the time. I am glad the ADP is giving the medium a try. But they not only link to DailyKos but sometimes the rhetoric on the ADP site is very similar to such liberal bloggers.

And again, that's fine, I just don't know if the ADP wants to be identified with that element of the party.

Republicans have used DailyKOS against individual Democratic candidates who had ties to the site, so I just think the ADP would be wise to be a little more careful with who they associate with.

4:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep it up, Zac. The whiner is obviously a Demo. Party tool out to defend the dinosaur way of thinking that has driven the donkeys into such deep doo-doo.

5:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, McCarthy. Should the Dem bloggers be worried about who they hang out with at coffee shops, too? After all, with all the domestic spying, you can never be too careful.

This is all ludicrous (see sarcastic statement above). Assess the validity of the arguments. If Republicans want to attack the source of the argument, rather than the argument itself, they can go back to the playground and 4th grade.

Politics should be about serious exchanges of ideas and serious discussion, not "you associate with so and so." That's not worthy of political discourse. I dislike Instapundit, Newsmax, and the rest, but I don't say "so and so is bad because they linked to" Rather, it's the arguments that matter.

I like the ADP blog, and I hope it comes back. And yes, I am a Democrat. And damn proud of it.

8:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

siegelman is off his meds and they took his joystick away from him. the blog will be up and running when don is convinced he is not driving a fuel truck for the national guard, and when he understands there is no vast right wing conspiracy out to get him.

11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Democrat too, and the ADP blog sux. It's nothing but one attack after the other on the Republicans, with little effort to positively show what we are about.

I tire of constant attacks on the other guys. The people aren't buying it either, as shown by the fact that the ADP no longer commands the allegience of most Alabamians. We need to discuss the IDEAS and PRINCIPLES of what we are about. Lets knock off the "Bush is a bad guy because..." crap. It grows wearisome.

5:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I though Zac's beef (although I may be wrong) was that the ADP blog doesn't talk enough about the political scene in Alabama.

Sure, we can argue and counterargue what they have posted and maybe will post in the future. However, much of it seems irrelevant (at least directly) to what is going on in Alabama.

9:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frankly, I quit reading the ADP blog as soon as I discovered this one. Keep up the good work, Zac.

11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Susan of LocalTint said...

"I'm a Democrat too, and the ADP blog sux. It's nothing but one attack after the other on the Republicans, with little effort to positively show what we are about."

I agree. I've always found it rather whiny, pessimistic, and excessively reliant on sarcasm to make its point(s). I need Paxil after I read it.

I think Zac's point about it being too national in scope is valid, too. And though I don't really have a problem with their blogroll, it should represent the gamut of Democratic thought as much as possible.

11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. To the people who said they read the blog and found it to be negative, etc, perhaps you weren't keeping up with the blog. I recall many, many posts where the blog talked about the good things going on in Alabama, and the party particularly.

I couldn't begin to count the number of times the blog referenced General Clark or other heavyweights when discussing solutions to our problems. It certainly had more in-depth analysis than what's found on this site. Sure, it addressed national and state level politics, but isn't that a good thing?

To suggest that discussing national issues as irrelevant to Alabama shows a major disconnect with politics. What happens at the national level DEFINITELY impacts the people of Alabama. To suggest otherwise would be incredibly foolish. When Congress passes a law, it matters. When Congress passes an ill-considered tax cut, it matters. When the DOD sends our men and women off the war without proper armor, it matters. How can you not see that?

1:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really like the use of the word "sux" by one poster. I'm glad we can all demonstrate our education.

1:55:00 PM  
Blogger PoliSciZac said...

I don't really mind that they link to Kos and his ilk, it just seems that the actual content sometimes channels those type of voices. And while to a national audience of progressive activists, that might be a good thing, to the ADP which is trying to make up lost ground among moderate/conservative whites I am not sure how helpful it is.

I would cite some specific examples from the ADP blog, but as far as I can tell it is not currently available.

4:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"sux" is an internet colloquialism.

5:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Zac, if you're going to find some examples of this rhetoric (assuming the site comes back up), I would like to see some examples of what you agree with. It's easy for some people (not saying you) to nitpick about what they dislike, but I venture to bet there was quite a bit of information there that they supported.

I did not always agree with everything on the blog (though I agreed with most of it), but I also realized (1) there were multiple bloggers with different perspectives and (2) the blog clearly said the opinions were those of the authors and did not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Alabama Democratic Party. It said it right there on the page.

I don't understand what you mean about channeling voices. Are you saying that Democrats in Alabama can only succeed by pretending to be Republicans? Well, I don't buy that for a second. The truth is the truth, and I would be embarassed if the bloggers decided to lie because it would be more popular in Alabama.

Screw that.

6:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turnham probably closed it down because it had become a playpen for children. Im sure he will re boot it in the new year in an adult format.

10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Brannon said...

I can promise you, the ADP Blog will return, whether you like it or not.

Brannon Walden
AL Dem Party

11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A "play pen for children"?

What a joke. The blog had serious discussion of national and state issues, which is often lacking in Alabama politics.

I guess challenging the status quo isn't easy, and some people would rather see the party avoid important issues.

Hogwash on those who oppose the blog. I support it.

5:17:00 PM  
Blogger PoliSciZac said...

Glad to hear the ADP blog shall return.

12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can promise you, the ADP Blog will return, whether you like it or not."

Brannon, I hope so. I love it- the blog makes it much easier for the GOP to catalogue the Dems' kooky positions. Chock full of bitter words and vitriolic debate. Delicious!

Turnham is a very smart man. He knows better than to pass those views off as what the state party believes. You're fooling yourself if you think there isn't a chasm between Southern/Midwestern Democrats and the rest of the party- Turnham surely recognizes this.

4:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kooky positions? You've got to be kidding me... Only a wacky Republican would think that promoting a strong national defense, supporting reasonable and sound fiscal policy, trying to cut the deficit, and following Jesus' command to take care of the least of these in society would be a kooky position. I will proudly stand with Alabama Democrats every day over the Republicans. We're the party that supports Social Security. We're the party that supports workers. We're the party that believes in having clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, safe streets for our kids, and good schools. That's what's been promoted on the blog. You can label it vitriolc debate if you wish, but the blog has done a really good job of chronicling the misdeeds of Bush's Republican Party. If you're uncomfortable with them showing, on a daily basis, how Bush is damaging America, that's your problem.

11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And to add another point to the last comment, I think it's funny how these conservative nay-sayers love to say that the blog says this or that, but yet they haven't pulled up one example. Put up or shut up, I say.

11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zac is being very charitable to call the new Democrat website "sharp". It's actually very poorly designed. Of course, I had not seen the old version, so maybe this one is relatively much better...

8:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the alabama democratic party does not need a blog. ideas are a mere diversion in state politics. ideas are to keep the true believers happy and the poor at bay. ideas keep the votes coming, and the money flowing the thieves at the top. a blog does not support any of this. just keep putting about 750-1m on the street each friday before the tuesday election, at least until the FBI catches you. I hope the democrat party goes to jail.

3:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure the last poster (see above) knows what in the world he/she is talking about. Crazy. The ones who belong in jail are the corrupt Republicans. DeLay, Abramoff, Scanlon, Frist, Ney, Cunningham, and the whole lot.

1:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and it's the DEMOCRATIC party, jerk.

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